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Edward Harkins

Chris IMO the legal dense gobblygook is inserted purely and cynically as a means of protection for the issuer. It's similar to those pointless signes that venue managers erect stating things like, 'Patrons use this cloakroom at their own risk'. Pointless because, this, of course, provides no protection from the managers (i.e. it's no get-out of responsibility clause). Indeed, among the Scottish legal judiciary at least, a dim view is taken of such devices and they go against the credibility of the managers.

I suspect that website users who were to be seeking some sort of redress in UK courts, would get a sympathetic hearing if they were to plead 'but My Lord everyone knows that no-one actually reads the legal dense gobblygook.'

Michael Mainelli

Chris,
I've tried a little game, my DisClaim Game, over the past few months. Cut and paste then "word count" the disclaimer text. It's astonishing. How am I supposed to read 10,000 to 15,000 words in any sensible space of time? "Gosh that's long I disclaim!" Personally, from companies that wish to deal with me "ethically", and in reality expect me to click through, this does seem like unfair contracting. I think it's particularly unfair in two other obvious ways - on websites many sites would time you out if you read it. On CD-ROMs, you've already purchased, but they don't exactly stick a printed booklet for the disclaimers on the side of the box - too expensive. Perhaps you should start a campaign for FairBanking Disclaimers?
Best wishes,
Michael

Bethany

The behaviour of O2 is a good example of how unfair the arrangements described in this article are. When renewing a mobile phone contract verbally and making payment at the same time I thought that a binding contract had been entered into. This is not the case according to O2 - the contract is a document that was sent at a later date by email to me. By behaving in this sly way O2 have an excuse for increasing their prices after only a few weeks since the commencement of the 'fixed' contract. Disgraceful.

Michael Mainelli

Bethany - I know Chris keeps telling us telcos may be the new banks, but even worse I had that same O2 behaviour from National Savings and Investments. They took the money from the account, then returned it a month later when they decided they didn't want index linked savings and claimed I had no contract. Truly despicable.

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