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Edward Harkins

Hmmm... I maybe differ from your view of China and India as being large centralised, highly controlled ( and therefore stable?)entities. China and India have acute and deeply imbedded systemic fissures and tensions within their vast territories – that are actually the post-imperial remains of earlier empires.

The phenomenal and commendable growth and transformation they have achieved in recent decades contain the seeds of destruction – a veritable paradigm change waiting to burst forth. If either China or India falters significantly from its current arc of hyper-growth there very probably will be a social cataclysm of epoch-destroying proportions.

That the Chinese dictatorship is all too aware of this precarious position I do not doubt. But I suspect that they are at just as much of loss as to how to address this position as I am.

As for the Indians – I see no evidence of awareness on their part – only hubris and downright silly posturing.

Macedonian

The next power will be China, if we take the history into account.

I think that the power always moves WEST (any such too general rule has exceptions, but they are minor). Here is my view:
400BC - The strongest power was Persia (Iran). Then the strongest power were in the following order: Macedonia, Rome, The holy Roman Empire (Germany), Spain, England, United States. Pacific is big one, but it is also limited, and WEST of it is China. India is next.

I didn't have time to analize before Persia (history is my hobby, not main proffesion).

Sarah Elizabeth

It's hard to tell, based on history, the future trajectory of China's growing economy. What's interesting now is how China is embracing their new role as the second largest economy in the world. China alternately pounds its chest and belittles its own progress. Could this be to eschew global responsibilities that other economic giants have? Jeffrey Wasserstrom has some interesting insight as to China's actions after swooping past Japan's economy last month. You might find his article interesting, too. Check it out here: http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/wasserstrom3/English

Thebankwatch

RE: "America has been very good on process, and India is very good on process."

Not a bad observation Chris. It lands squarely on something I have been seeing as an issue but had not singled out the root cause, and this is it. China and Brazil are 'managed' systems and economies, and there is no debate - stuff just happens. Which is better?

Anyhow, this post covers so much, and stuff I think about all the time. It might just warrant its own post for me to answer semi intelligently. Some good stuff in the meandering here.

Chris Skinner

Thanks for the comments folks and a brief response.

@Edward, Macedonian and Sarah Elizabeth

China is the obvious near-term superpower, as mentioned, but the tensions between the Indo-China relationship will explode over time, as previously discussed here on the blog: http://thefinanser.co.uk/fsclub/2010/05/whens-the-next-financial-crisis-take-place-and-what-will-cause-it.html

As a result, and also due to China's single child policy, the future path is even more tipped towards Brazil.

@Colin @Thebankwatch

Great to hear from you - been a while - and love the fact that you concur with a point I've found frequently frustrating, e.g. the form filling, paper processing, checks upon checks management of process in India and the USA.

As you say, there's a lot covered here which probably warrants further depth of thinking ... however, as I got to over 1,000 words on this one, thought I'd see th reactions before posting more.

Thanks again everyone
Chris

Paul Peters

Am a bit surprised.. the framework of criteria only seems to focus on magnitude and more or less linear extrapolation. For example, Brazil's birth bubble happened from 30 to 20 years ago, and the current birth rate is 1.2% which is effectively close a single child policy. So, Brazils population may grow to double it's current size, but will continue shrinking from there on.
But Family Planning (eugenics for the historically inclined) is not unique for China alone. It's being done on a global basis since the first meetings of the Club of Rome. And oddly enough the article referred to is about China rethinking their policy, which may be a natural thing to do as there is a natural tendency anyway when a society matures, becomes more healthy and prosperous that birth rates go down. Societal group dynamics and biology are mixed phenomena.

Also, what is the effectiveness of processes? I have had a company in Italy, and i think that more or less says enough..
Compared to a country like France which has 5000 laws, Italy has 70.000-90.000 laws, which makes it an unmoveable ball of entangled rules, and adhering to these rules means paying some 65% in taxes or other forms of subsidizing a business jurisdiscial system which employs more lawyers than the UK, France and Germany together..

It's about the utilitarien degrees of freedom that is facilitated by the processes, and this i guess is where well-oiled processes go more hand in hand with commodities and capabilities. Germany and Japan had big advantages here, they both received a long term and major cash-injection from the USA after their defeat. Both Germany and Japan also had an additional benefit, and that is that much of the post-war middle-management layer were for the most non-commissioned officers, molded on beforehand to work in a bureaucratic system of work processes.
But it deserves some extra attention that they also have very efficient production processes, with many interchangeable parts, due to the war machinery. Standardization and normalization is very important in such an industry because it gives redundance and thus resilience in the production process itself. When ordering a particular fiber, or some screws, or some sort of metal, the qualities are as expected. And with these commoditized building blocks one is then capable of building more and more differentiating products.
And it is these with these differentiations that an economy blossoms, although it also makes it more local. And as shown with many high-tech products it is path-dependence which is most important here, who gets there first.. and that leaves to compare a yearly $180 billion R&D funding from the different US governmental departments together, compared to the EU's Framework Program which is about $8.5 billion. Does Europe need really need so much less investment in the future?

And what is the exposure when interacting amongst one another. Quantity has a quality of its own, but is potential power the same as power in motion ? The USA has been acting like a superpower ever since the OpiumWars, but what if China, Japan do it in their own way by buying up large foreign companies, like is happening now. Or buy a stake in the US government, because the two together own more than a 25% of the US treasury securities which are used to fund the federal debt.
Then again, Japan's former prime-minister, Hatoyama, got forced out of office due to conflicts over a US military base which he had promised would be closed. And that raises the question, who owns who?

So, does it really make sense to divide the world in powers or superpowers, or does it make more sense at focussing on unifying capabilities amongst these powers? Although i do guess, considering the current number of EU countries without a government that we may be seeing the early demise of nations and countries as a valid governance model, but possibly a modality which is based on a European Union of city-state/province/regions which more reflects that actual geo-graphical distribution of people and activity.

Very nice food for thought, thanks for a great post.

Erik

Looks like everyone missed the obvious answer.

The next super power will of course be Belgium.

It has the commodities. Beer and chocolate are top quality and timeless.

It has the capabilities. We had cheque truncation in the 70's you know. We were pioneering electronic purse cards before the Euro was a reality. And we're headquartering SWIFT now.

It has the processes. Ten weeks later I'm still waiting for the inventory of the flat I'm renting and am still trying to figure out how to claim my doctor's bill from my medical insurance. Nevertheless, there are a lot of back doors and if you know the right people you can get things done, much like in China and India.

And it has the capital, that is of course if anything is left after the money gathered through 55% taxation rates (excluding local taxes) has been spent on a zillion local, departmental, regional and national governments.

So, Belgium it is. If it still exists of course.

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