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December 04, 2008

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Guillaume

I think "social money" is a bit of a pleonasm, although I use it myself for lack of a better one.
Money is fundamentally social. Which is why the social Web can be expected to impact banking/payments much more than it has so far operationally. I personally view the monetary system we live in today as a sort of AOL of money where one central organization and its affiliates have effectively a monopole on what is money and how it is created. I think that at the time of AOL, people had a difficult time imagining what an open, decentralized and resilient AOL would be, and how much it would force them to transform. Today, in my opinion, we are in the early days of this new decentralized money. We haven't figure it's version of HTTP, HTML, browser, SSL and DNS yet, that's all.
With regards to runs on communities' money. I think it makes it very clear that an independent community with an independent currency should seek not just a 0 or positive balance of payments, but a balanced current account. As Paul Volcker (I think) said: "Trade matters". The strength of a currency in other words depend on the resilience on the local economy to outside events. In the real world, free trade ideology and negligence of deficits has already cost some real countries dearly (Iceland) and many other countries including the US are at risk.
With regards to adoption of community currency, I would argue that it is not just a problem of trust. The success of real-life currency is not because people necessarily trust them. It is primarily because demand for it is created by making it the only to pay for tax debts. One way to create demand for a currency is to have local businesses (i.e. org/people with public reputation) issue it and have community member agrees that the non-profit community service entities get their donations only in this currency.


FredericBaud

I'm not sure we should use the word "social money" just to define currencies used along a social network: there is probably not something sufficiently distinctive to do that.

I think that the extensive use lately of the word "social" is trying to characterize something different from the previous Web 1.0 wave. Web 1.0 was very much about creating new market places, where the anonymity of regular currencies ("electronic" or good-old-bank money) was perfectly appropriate. The social wave is all about links and networks. I would lean then to use "social money" for currencies that keep trace of the people using it. Michael Linton's description- http://tinyurl.com/5gqan7 - of a money that remembers where it's coming from would then fall in this category.

Chris Skinner

Guillame

Agree with your thoughts 100%.

I also agree with you and Frederic that the word 'social' is being over-used here, but am just maintaining that theme to keep in with the focus of this week's blogging about social media and social networks.

I'm happy to adapt to other definitions, although I'm not sure I'd go with money that remembers where it's coming from and keeps trace ... that's maintaining an identity with money. A traceability.

In the case of QQ, it's anonymous.

And, to be honest, a lot of social money will want to stay anonymous (and can).

Therefore, I'll still stick with exchanging value through social networks and media (which isn't just money).

Chris

FredericBaud

Actually there is nothing in the traditional definition of money (a unit of account, a store of value, and a medium of exchange) stating anything about anonymity.

With all these talks about social, I was just thinking that it would be great to organize a "What Yogi Berra could have said about social media and networks?" contest. Would you be ready to offer a 10 Chris-Skinner-dollar prize to the winner?

Chris Skinner

Aha Frederic

The anonymous piece is a critical part of real world money, e.g. cash and the tax-avoidance economy.

This is something I've also talked about a little bit before (if you missed it, checkout http://thefinanser.co.uk/fsclub/2008/02/we-are-living-i.html

Meanwhile, I like your Yogi Berra contest, so a copy of one of my books to the one that's the best.

Here's my kickoff for a start:

"If I'd known that they would call sitting behind a screen typing is being social in the future, I'd have stayed in the bar."

FredericBaud

I agree that anonymity of coins and notes is a property that will guarantee endurance to this form of cash. Bank cash on the contrary is not that anonymous and widely used. Anyhow, the point is that we now have means of embeding traceability within new forms of money, and we may actually find use to this - appart from trading with prostitutes of course.

Here is my first shot to get a copy of one of your books:

"I'm trying to be social as every other man, but I had to draw a line when my mother asked to be part of my network."

Guillaume

My shot on the Yogi Berra quote: "Web 2.0 is about being less social with more people"

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